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Comments on: A vision of high-speed rail for the Midwest https://occasionalplanet.org/2010/05/21/a-vision-of-high-speed-rail-for-the-midwest/ Progressive Voices Speaking Out Fri, 01 Feb 2013 20:04:37 +0000 hourly 1 By: Retired Rail https://occasionalplanet.org/2010/05/21/a-vision-of-high-speed-rail-for-the-midwest/#comment-1035 Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:33:15 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=2686#comment-1035 Isn't it always like this? It was the tire and rubber companies along with the motorcarr manufacturers and oil companies who got the great mass transit systems (trains and busses) off the street in favor of the oil guzzlng automobile and truck! Now the oil companies say they are hurting (BP) , the American car companies have gone backrupt and who knows about the tire and rubber companies?

]]> By: flash https://occasionalplanet.org/2010/05/21/a-vision-of-high-speed-rail-for-the-midwest/#comment-1036 Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:25:11 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=2686#comment-1036 Also the airlines like the oil companies will fight this HSR project to the limit. However realistic until such time when USHSR lines connect to offer a service clear across the USA from coast to coast and north to south and all between which is years away the airlines will offer the speediest and best transportation for long distances. HSR is NOT designed to compete with airlines but rather and realistically short and medium distances.
thank you

ad hoc advisor to Cal HSR and experienced retired railroad worker..

]]> By: Raphael Val https://occasionalplanet.org/2010/05/21/a-vision-of-high-speed-rail-for-the-midwest/#comment-709 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 13:10:21 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=2686#comment-709 Fairly great post. I just stumbled upon your weblog and wanted to say that I’ve honestly enjoyed browsing your webpage posts. In any circumstance I’ll be subscribing to your feed and I hope you write once again soon!

]]> By: Raphael Val https://occasionalplanet.org/2010/05/21/a-vision-of-high-speed-rail-for-the-midwest/#comment-1769 Thu, 03 Jun 2010 13:10:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=2686#comment-1769 Fairly great post. I just stumbled upon your weblog and wanted to say that I’ve honestly enjoyed browsing your webpage posts. In any circumstance I’ll be subscribing to your feed and I hope you write once again soon!

]]> By: Madonna Gauding https://occasionalplanet.org/2010/05/21/a-vision-of-high-speed-rail-for-the-midwest/#comment-591 Sat, 22 May 2010 18:44:20 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=2686#comment-591 Thanks for taking the time to add additional information about HSR. One ride on the AVE in Spain and I was hooked. HSR is a no-brainer when it comes to cost, the environment, the economy. Unfortunately, as you point out, much of what would be good for the country as a whole is being thwarted by corporate interests.

]]> By: Madonna Gauding https://occasionalplanet.org/2010/05/21/a-vision-of-high-speed-rail-for-the-midwest/#comment-1768 Sat, 22 May 2010 18:44:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=2686#comment-1768 Thanks for taking the time to add additional information about HSR. One ride on the AVE in Spain and I was hooked. HSR is a no-brainer when it comes to cost, the environment, the economy. Unfortunately, as you point out, much of what would be good for the country as a whole is being thwarted by corporate interests.

]]> By: BruceMcF https://occasionalplanet.org/2010/05/21/a-vision-of-high-speed-rail-for-the-midwest/#comment-587 Sat, 22 May 2010 15:19:55 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=2686#comment-587 One of the common rhetorical tricks of the oil-funded “libertarian” belief tanks is to estimate the full capital cost of the most ambitious all 220mph system, ignoring that the life of some of the investments are from 30 to 100 years, never compared the capital cost of providing the same transportation capacity with roads, and declare the whole thing too expensive.

Then turning to the far less costly, 110mph~125mph mixed and dedicated Regional HSR in existing rail corridors (many of which have space for two or three additional lines) … declare that its not a big enough difference to do anything.

Of course, by treating each one as a one-size-fits-all system and then finding that one size does not fit all, they are just engaged in a straw man argument. For example, between New York and Chicago, just one 220mph corridor mostly through northern Ohio farmland that junctioned with the proposed Ohio Hub could with the addition of dedicated high speed track in the Ohio and Midwest Hubs, allow 220mph trains to directly serve (in addition to all the connections available via transfer to the Ohio Hub system itself):

Pittsburgh/New York via Ohio Hub Pittsburgh/Cleveland
Pittsburgh/Chicago via Ohio Hub Pittsburgh/Cleveland
Pittsburgh/Columbus/Chicago via Ohio Hub Pittsburgh/Columbus/Detroit
Cleveland/Chicago via Ohio Hub Cleveland/Columbus
Detroit/Cleveland/New York via Ohio Hub Pittsburgh/Cleveland/Detroit
Cincinnati/Columbus/New York via Ohio Hub Cleveland/Columbus/Cincinnati
Indianapolis/Columbus/New York via Ohio Hub Columbus/Indianapolis and Cleveland/Columbus

This is part of the success of the French HSR system – they run routes over the corridors then continue them on their interurban express rail network. We don’t have an interurban express rail network anymore … but the 110mph networks give us an opportunity to rebuild them.

]]> By: BruceMcF https://occasionalplanet.org/2010/05/21/a-vision-of-high-speed-rail-for-the-midwest/#comment-1767 Sat, 22 May 2010 15:19:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=2686#comment-1767 One of the common rhetorical tricks of the oil-funded “libertarian” belief tanks is to estimate the full capital cost of the most ambitious all 220mph system, ignoring that the life of some of the investments are from 30 to 100 years, never compared the capital cost of providing the same transportation capacity with roads, and declare the whole thing too expensive.

Then turning to the far less costly, 110mph~125mph mixed and dedicated Regional HSR in existing rail corridors (many of which have space for two or three additional lines) … declare that its not a big enough difference to do anything.

Of course, by treating each one as a one-size-fits-all system and then finding that one size does not fit all, they are just engaged in a straw man argument. For example, between New York and Chicago, just one 220mph corridor mostly through northern Ohio farmland that junctioned with the proposed Ohio Hub could with the addition of dedicated high speed track in the Ohio and Midwest Hubs, allow 220mph trains to directly serve (in addition to all the connections available via transfer to the Ohio Hub system itself):

Pittsburgh/New York via Ohio Hub Pittsburgh/Cleveland
Pittsburgh/Chicago via Ohio Hub Pittsburgh/Cleveland
Pittsburgh/Columbus/Chicago via Ohio Hub Pittsburgh/Columbus/Detroit
Cleveland/Chicago via Ohio Hub Cleveland/Columbus
Detroit/Cleveland/New York via Ohio Hub Pittsburgh/Cleveland/Detroit
Cincinnati/Columbus/New York via Ohio Hub Cleveland/Columbus/Cincinnati
Indianapolis/Columbus/New York via Ohio Hub Columbus/Indianapolis and Cleveland/Columbus

This is part of the success of the French HSR system – they run routes over the corridors then continue them on their interurban express rail network. We don’t have an interurban express rail network anymore … but the 110mph networks give us an opportunity to rebuild them.

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