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Comments on: Term limits with a twist: Attrition of unneeded elected offices https://occasionalplanet.org/2011/07/20/term-limits-with-a-twist-attrition-of-unneeded-elected-offices/ Progressive Voices Speaking Out Tue, 05 Feb 2013 23:16:48 +0000 hourly 1 By: Arthur Lieber https://occasionalplanet.org/2011/07/20/term-limits-with-a-twist-attrition-of-unneeded-elected-offices/#comment-2000 Thu, 21 Jul 2011 03:19:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=10121#comment-2000 In reply to Mark magas.

Mark, I think that you make a number of excellent comments.  Indeed we have lost many to term limits; don’t forget Joan Bray.

However, I do think that it’s somewhat of a given that our electorate is going to have limited critical thinking skills for some time to come.  The idea of eliminating bi-cameral legislatures and going unicameral could help.  Consolidating communities in St. Louis County could also help.  But as you suggest, it’s complicated and has its down sides.  I hope that we can keep the conversation going.

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By: Arthur Lieber https://occasionalplanet.org/2011/07/20/term-limits-with-a-twist-attrition-of-unneeded-elected-offices/#comment-2001 Thu, 21 Jul 2011 03:19:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=10121#comment-2001 In reply to Mark magas.

Mark, I think that you make a number of excellent comments.  Indeed we have lost many to term limits; don’t forget Joan Bray.

However, I do think that it’s somewhat of a given that our electorate is going to have limited critical thinking skills for some time to come.  The idea of eliminating bi-cameral legislatures and going unicameral could help.  Consolidating communities in St. Louis County could also help.  But as you suggest, it’s complicated and has its down sides.  I hope that we can keep the conversation going.

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By: Mark magas https://occasionalplanet.org/2011/07/20/term-limits-with-a-twist-attrition-of-unneeded-elected-offices/#comment-1999 Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:17:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=10121#comment-1999 Term limits are the tyranny of the lazy. If you oppose an office holder get off your butt organize and win. Lets talk abut the results of term limits Senator Harry Kennedy 100% ranking  with most progressive causes gone.Senator Wayne Goode one of the finest legislature who ever lived gone. Senator Patrick Doughtery gone.Rep. Boo Foley complained to me that without the old hands he was forced to rely on lobbyist for information. How dare those tow lazy to show up at the polls on a regular basis take away my right to elect the best person for the job.

Term limits weaken office candidates and empower money just like other progressive reforms.

Why is it that Clinton and Obama felt comfortable showing disdain for the base? Because Open primaries mean that the lazy uneducated vote for the lead horse people win. Primaries have made party activist unimportant but strengthened money.Getting rid of the primary “reform”and returning to caucuses would return the country to a two party system and supply voters with choices rather than  just the choices of the monied elite.  

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