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Comments on: Election 2012: Koch Brothers vs. Wall Street? https://occasionalplanet.org/2011/08/18/election-2012-koch-brothers-vs-wall-street/ Progressive Voices Speaking Out Fri, 01 Feb 2013 21:38:31 +0000 hourly 1 By: Wilson https://occasionalplanet.org/2011/08/18/election-2012-koch-brothers-vs-wall-street/#comment-2083 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:00:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=11040#comment-2083 Carbon Tax will give
every person in every transaction around the globe ownership to save the planet
and ultimately their gutbag. The next COP meeting hopes to get every nation to
vote for it so it can be enforced. There are ties to the NWO (1991: GHWB “NWO”,
Hughs aircraft aerosol spraying patent, our role in the UN climate oversight,
etc)  and Gore’s later role and Nobel. The
only thing green about carbon tax is the color of a dollar bill. Climate chaos,
crop failures and self preservation concerns motivate backers.

  http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/8967-day-of-rage-wall-st-occupation-sparks-fears    Who
lit the spark?

Notice the
Bircher’s first word in the article: Analysts. 
Let me interpret that for you, Analysts = 1 % Think Tanks. If the
article was put to press on the 13th, how much time was required to
poll the ‘Analysts’? How early was this Alert made know to TJBS so it could be
researched? How long has this event been a strategy to polarize? It sounds more
like an outline of what is expected and not speculation. Find the ‘Analysts’
and you find the think tanks, the cells, the spark.

Why did the
Birchers have a Sept. 13 article on the OWS quoting “analysts”?  Analysts = think tank.  Who are the Birchers? Why, Fred C. Koch
(daddy)  is! He was a 1%’r.  The Koch Brothers are behind the TEA Party
too. OWS was out of the CFR press for a reason, they did not want to be too
eager to enjoy the brawl the 1% seeded. 
Do you really think Palin is against the crony capitalists (she wants to
drill) or is it just a coincidence that not long after her casting them in her
mouth, OWS has Bircher analysts raising an eyebrow before anything happened? It
was all a cyber wag. Palin’s charge on the crony capitalists is not that old,
in fact, it merges with OWS sentiment quit perfectly. OWS is doing the bidding
of the Koch Brothers with all the conviction they can muster. The Koch Bros.
want chaos through dog wagging sedition. Now the CFR  media is giving the movement the ink.

The Koch Bros.
are employing Learned Helplessness in their sedition. OWS has real people with
real issues just like the TEAs but there is a difference between the organic
grass roots growth and the genetically crafted seed it sprang from. The TEAs
were a national grass roots happening without the common person aware they
existed. The media had to educate and inform us of this group. There were LDS
member sites that were libertarians (and closet Birchers) that morphed an idea
into national organization via LDS and other denominations members and it grew
like a weed. It looked organic but it was not. The Libertarians got a face lift
and the coup on the right directed at the GOP was launched right after the
election.  OWS does not serve the people
that support it, but it looks that way, This is pre-election controversy and it
serves a purpose for the 1% who grew the seed in a smoke filled room.

Nader was CFR in
the 70’s. He is as green as a dollar bill and a international compulsory carbon
tax.

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By: Dubbleoj https://occasionalplanet.org/2011/08/18/election-2012-koch-brothers-vs-wall-street/#comment-2067 Fri, 16 Sep 2011 04:48:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=11040#comment-2067 In reply to Mike.

Yes, but the point is he will probably not get the nomination because he is anti-establishment. Left-wing media doesnt give him attention because he could probably beat Obama, and right-wing media ignores him because he would cut critical ties within the military-industrial complex (among other things). He’s the godfather of the Tea Party and he gets more support from the Daily Show than Fox News.  I would probably vote for him if he actually made it, but I dont think he can compete with Wall Street or Big Oil, no matter how unfair it is. 

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By: Ned_Flaherty https://occasionalplanet.org/2011/08/18/election-2012-koch-brothers-vs-wall-street/#comment-2066 Thu, 15 Sep 2011 02:01:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=11040#comment-2066 The 13 presidential candidates’ plans for 31 million LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) citizens are now on-line:

http://www.marriageequalityUSA.org/Election2012

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By: Mike https://occasionalplanet.org/2011/08/18/election-2012-koch-brothers-vs-wall-street/#comment-2042 Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:11:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=11040#comment-2042 In reply to David Lewis.

I disagree.  Ms. Gauding’s excellent, albeit it defeatist, analysis hinges on a false choice:  Wall Street vs. Big Oil (restated later as Koch Brothers vs. Goldman Sachs). Dr. Paul is the only candidate that warned us of the toxic asset bubble years in advance, opposed the invasion/occupation of Iraq, and has fought consistently against violations of liberty like we have under Homeland Security and the PATRIOT Act.We are not against regulation so much as unconstitutional, perverse regulation. 

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By: Mike https://occasionalplanet.org/2011/08/18/election-2012-koch-brothers-vs-wall-street/#comment-2041 Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:01:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=11040#comment-2041 In reply to MG1.

You said dismantling 700-800 US military bases would not be a bad thing.  Dr. Paul is the only top tier candidate that is suggesting that we do that.  He speaks for the people, not big money.  He did perfect the money bomb, and he has raised almost half a million dollars *this morning* from small donations.

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By: MG1 https://occasionalplanet.org/2011/08/18/election-2012-koch-brothers-vs-wall-street/#comment-2040 Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:39:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=11040#comment-2040 In a fantasy world, Ron Paul may have the best chance of the GOP lineup of winning the presidency, but in the real world, big money is not behind him so it’s not going to happen. 

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By: MG1 https://occasionalplanet.org/2011/08/18/election-2012-koch-brothers-vs-wall-street/#comment-2039 Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:33:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=11040#comment-2039 In reply to David Lewis.

Great questions! I don’t know if anyone has answers at the moment, and I don’t know if we are at the last phase. The last phase will be the dismantling of the 700-800 military bases we have around the world. (Not a bad thing.) Sort of like the Brits when their empire fell apart. But the decline has definitely started in so many areas. Just another example of impermanence. 

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By: David Lewis https://occasionalplanet.org/2011/08/18/election-2012-koch-brothers-vs-wall-street/#comment-2038 Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:51:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=11040#comment-2038 Sorry, but Ron Paul is one candidate who is very unlikely to support the needs of working families. Ron Paul is mostly on the Tea Party side of Madonna’s excellent analysis. If he wins, we will be back to 18th century unregulated capitalism and all that means for general misery. Without regulation, the financial elite will poised to seize control of 100% of the nations wealth rather than a mere 75% — so if you think things are unbalanced now, you ain’t seen nothing yet. But with a hostile world out there (like China), no telling what that will mean as an ultimate outcome — but it won’t be pretty.

Ron Paul is a fantasy utopian — except what he thinks would be utopia would actually turn out as dystopia — aka hell on earth!

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By: David Lewis https://occasionalplanet.org/2011/08/18/election-2012-koch-brothers-vs-wall-street/#comment-2037 Fri, 19 Aug 2011 22:23:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=11040#comment-2037 Dynamite analysis!  And truly scary — a plausible scenario for the beginning of the last phase of the collapse of America.

What you don’t address, however — and who could at this point — is what comes next? If Perry-Palin (or the equivalent) win, there will certainly be worldwide economic collapse which makes the Great Depression look like pat-a-cake. But then what?

The questions are, (a) what happens to the sovereign political systems of America and the rest of the developed world. My guess — oh, you don’t wanna hear. And (b) who wins internationally, which is easy — China becomes the world’s next sole super power, except for the two now economically-decimated nations still with enough nuclear weapons to destroy the planet. (Actually, Russia is a wild card.)

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By: Mike https://occasionalplanet.org/2011/08/18/election-2012-koch-brothers-vs-wall-street/#comment-2036 Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:22:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=11040#comment-2036 here is another post for you to delete : )

ronpaul dot com

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