Comments on: “Stand your ground” is really “Kill at will”

By: The NRA: The official pimp of the multi-billion dollar gun industry

The NRA: The official pimp of the multi-billion dollar gun industry — Wed, 07 Oct 2015 15:49:35 +0000

[…] strategy to boost gun sales, the NRA has, with the help of ALEC, passed “Stand Your Ground” or “Kill at Will” laws in dozens of states across the country. By encouraging a vigilante mindset, these new laws […]

By: PlayLoud

PlayLoud — Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:41:00 +0000

“In states with Kill-At-Will laws, the average number of “justifiable homicides” cases per year increased by more than 50% — and tripled in Florida, where the Kill-At-Will law has been invoked as a legal defense in gang fights, neighbor disputes, and road rage.”

I’m ok with justified homicides. The alternative to justified homicides, is unjustified homicides. If you are being attacked, and your life is in danger, you would rather just take your chances? The police will not be there to help you. Oh, sure, they will respond after the fact. They will take a picture of your corpse for their murder investigation. Does that give you comfort?

“Most” people who carry a firearm (I can’t here in California) are not looking for trouble. It’s more like wearing a seat belt. You can go an entire lifetime and not need one, but if that fateful day comes, you will be glad it’s there.

Since you are for “progressive” (liberal) values, I am assuming you are
Pro-Choice. Aren’t Pro-Choice laws really Kill-At-Will laws? I think we should call now refer to pro-choice as kill-at-will. It’s more accurate.

By: EpsilonSemi

EpsilonSemi — Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:13:00 +0000

For what it’s worth, in my CCW training class (which was mandatory in my state, and in my case taught by an internationally accredited police trainer), above all else, the most important thing they taught me was that the only time which I was to draw and fire my gun was when my life or the lives of my loved ones were in immediate danger, and no other time.

For example: Being mugged is not a situation where I would draw my firearm, because all the mugger is after is my money/wallet. However, if I was in a situation where someone was aggressively coming at me with a knife or a gun, and I felt that my life was in danger from this person, that is what my concealed weapon is for: to protect myself and my loved ones from that immediate, lethal danger.

That’s the core of what CCW is supposed to be: to protect yourself and your loved ones in situations where your life/lives are at risk, and it’s used as the last resort; when you have no other options available to protect yourself/your loved ones from being killed.

Mind you, I don’t particularly support stand-your-ground laws that much. I agree with aspects of the “duty to retreat,” such as the burden of proof being on the defendant to show that they were acting reasonably. Unfortunately, many people take “duty to retreat” to mean “any use of lethal force is not allowed at all under any circumstance,” which I feel is wrong. A person should be able to respond to lethal force with lethal force if they have absolutely no other options.

That’s what I learned in my CCW training, and the majority of people who have CCW permits in my state have been trained by the instructor who trained me (his group is responsible for the majority of CCW training in my state). It makes me sad, as a responsible gun owner, that people focus on the worst of our group and assume that all of us are as bad as that; that all of us are just waiting for someone to look at us funny to blow their brains out, or are willing to shoot anyone who disagrees with the Second Amendment. We’re not like that; I promise you that no one is more worried about proper training and responsibility than we are, the normal everyday Joes of gun owners who walk/work/live amongst you, who quietly carry a firearm for the worst case scenario, who don’t wave the fact that we’re gun owners in everyone’s faces, who understand how much responsibility it takes to carry a lethal weapon…because it’s us that are punished and vilified when a bad apple makes the news.