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Comments on: Confusion: The wording of the Second Amendment https://occasionalplanet.org/2012/08/28/confusion-the-wording-of-the-second-amendment/ Progressive Voices Speaking Out Tue, 04 Jul 2017 19:45:40 +0000 hourly 1 By: Highlights of NY Times’ annotated Constitution - Occasional Planet https://occasionalplanet.org/2012/08/28/confusion-the-wording-of-the-second-amendment/#comment-17151 Tue, 04 Jul 2017 19:45:40 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=17527#comment-17151 […] 21st Century arguments about the Constitution center on the Second Amendment, whose grammar [that second comma!] and wording are confusing, and which has been used to maximum effect by the National Rifle […]

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By: Bob Blaylock https://occasionalplanet.org/2012/08/28/confusion-the-wording-of-the-second-amendment/#comment-7302 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 07:26:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=17527#comment-7302   The Second Amendment is only “confusing” to those who do not wish for it to be obeyed—to tyrants and criminals and those who take the side of tyrants and criminals against that of honest, decent, law-abiding citizens.

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By: DanialThom https://occasionalplanet.org/2012/08/28/confusion-the-wording-of-the-second-amendment/#comment-7144 Wed, 12 Oct 2016 01:00:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=17527#comment-7144 This article is simply wrong. A Militia, capitalized or not, is by definition non-professional. “The People” cannot be The Army, because the Army is controlled by the government. And how does “keep” fit into the author’s explanation? Keep implies that you can own, and bear implies that you can carry.

Since a “militia” is a citizen army, “well regulated” in today’s words meant “well trained”; the intent of the amendment was to guarantee that citizens had the unrestricted right to train without government intervention. Guns were a deterrent to tyranny, so the idea that they government could take away guns was exactly what the amendment was designed to prevent.

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By: Matt Seey https://occasionalplanet.org/2012/08/28/confusion-the-wording-of-the-second-amendment/#comment-7093 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 01:11:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=17527#comment-7093 In reply to john jerome lll.

Guns with enhanced speed and power enhance the protection of the 2nd… Which whole purpose was to keep government tyranny in check and be the last line of defense against foreign invaders. The bill of rights was not written to protect us “only if we kept using 1800s technology” fucking derp.

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By: Matt Seey https://occasionalplanet.org/2012/08/28/confusion-the-wording-of-the-second-amendment/#comment-7092 Fri, 12 Aug 2016 01:05:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=17527#comment-7092 In reply to john jerome lll.

Oh they are rolling alright, but for reasons other than civilians owning semi auto military look alike pea shooters

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By: Getting tired of this sh!t https://occasionalplanet.org/2012/08/28/confusion-the-wording-of-the-second-amendment/#comment-7087 Sun, 07 Aug 2016 08:58:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=17527#comment-7087 In reply to Perry Logan.

This is the second retarded ass comment I’ve read of yours on this “article” and your other one is seriously the dumbest comment I’ve read in months.

Will you please please pretty please explain this comment and how you came to this conclusion perry logan? I don’t even want you to site sources.
“In the 18th century, “to keep and bear arms” meant “to serve in the military.” It had nothing to do with anyone owning anything”

I also will not go that link about how guns lead to slavery bullshit. But please explain to me, in your own words, how the guns I own will somehow the ability to legally buy you as my slave.
I’m really looking forward to reading your… your… whatever it’s going to be.

It’s an ashame that people like Arthur Leiber and perry Logan are not smart enough to ever learn how dumb they are.

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By: Erik Baran https://occasionalplanet.org/2012/08/28/confusion-the-wording-of-the-second-amendment/#comment-7055 Fri, 08 Jul 2016 12:07:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=17527#comment-7055 In reply to anabelle kyrie.

Crimes with guns have increased in countries that have enacted strict gun control legislation? Please show us the site you found that little tidbit of information.

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By: Erik Baran https://occasionalplanet.org/2012/08/28/confusion-the-wording-of-the-second-amendment/#comment-7054 Fri, 08 Jul 2016 12:01:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=17527#comment-7054 In reply to anabelle kyrie.

Nicely edited. rme

” Tenche Coxe: “Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American… The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” – Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette

Seems we have turned our arms upon ourselves.

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By: Erik Baran https://occasionalplanet.org/2012/08/28/confusion-the-wording-of-the-second-amendment/#comment-7053 Fri, 08 Jul 2016 11:50:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=17527#comment-7053 In reply to pmoseman.

Then shouldn’t firearm owners be in such a militia? Oh, there’s private militias, but show me the well regulated militia we need for a secure and free state. There isn’t one. And if you really want to get technical, the 2nd Amendment should be voided, as it wasn’t legally ratified by the states. Different states voted on differently composed copies of the amendment, and because of that they meant different things. By law they have to have voted on the exact same wording. They didn’t.

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By: pmoseman https://occasionalplanet.org/2012/08/28/confusion-the-wording-of-the-second-amendment/#comment-7050 Mon, 04 Jul 2016 19:45:00 +0000 http://www.occasionalplanet.org/?p=17527#comment-7050 In reply to Paul Ciancio.

To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws.
John Adams

Instead of giving any Assistance in repelling the Enemy, the Militia have not only refused to obey your general Summons and that of their commanding Officers, but I am told exult at the Approach of the Enemy and our late Misfortunes. I beg leave to submit to your Consideration whether such people are to be intrusted with Arms in their Hands?
George Washington

But though the scheme of disciplining the whole nation must be abandoned as mischievous or impracticable; yet it is a matter of the utmost importance that a well-digested plan should, as soon as possible, be adopted for the proper establishment of the militia. The attention of the government ought particularly to be directed to the formation of a select corps of moderate extent, upon such principles as will really fit them for service in case of need. By thus circumscribing the plan, it will be possible to have an excellent body of well-trained militia, ready to take the field whenever the defense of the State shall require it. This will not only lessen the call for military establishments, but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist.
Alexander Hamilton

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