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Comments on: Liberals, Stop Fawning over George W. Bush https://occasionalplanet.org/2017/10/22/liberals-stop-fawning-george-w-bush/ Progressive Voices Speaking Out Mon, 23 Oct 2017 19:42:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: bethvonbehren https://occasionalplanet.org/2017/10/22/liberals-stop-fawning-george-w-bush/#comment-17311 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 19:42:00 +0000 http://occasionalplanet.org/?p=38021#comment-17311 Sorry, I have to disagree. First, this post is divisive. Even when conservatives and liberals disagree, they should be able to come together as Americans. Racism IS bad. Democracy IS good. George W. Bush may not have been a great president, may even have been one of the worst (and I don’t disagree with any of your points about that), but you cannot claim he is racist. Well, you can claim it, but I don’t think you could prove it. Conservative policies have unintended racial/racist consequences way too often, for sure. That does not mean every conservative who wants a smaller government is a racist.

Second, nobody has forgotten Iraq. Acknowledging that a former president has said something that he hopes will promote unity is not a whitewashing of the decisions he made as president.

Third, we liberals HAVE held him accountable for what we consider to be bad decisions. We have not stopped doing that. More importantly, history will also hold him accountable. But let’s use another example: Jimmy Carter. President Carter has, by most people’s standards, been a much better post-president than he was a president. He made many good decisions, but he also stumbled pretty often. When he does something like become an ambassador for Habitat for Humanity, should we stop and say, whoa, wait a minute, what about that hostage crisis – we need to hold him accountable!!!” No, we don’t do that.

What about Clinton? When he establishes a Foundation that helps get much-needed HIV drugs to Africa (working with George W. Bush, btw), do we stop and say how dare he? What about Lewinsky, perjury, and getting himself impeached? No, we do not say that.

So, I’m not sure you make your case here. You can’t hold one president accountable for his bad decisions in the face of something positive he does post-presidency, but not hold all of them accountable for the mistakes they made while in office (don’t even get me started on the roll-out of Obamacare) in the face of good things they do after they leave office.

Otherwise, they might as well fold up that whole One America thing and let the people of Puerto Rico go it alone. Is that what you want?

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By: Stacy Mergenthal https://occasionalplanet.org/2017/10/22/liberals-stop-fawning-george-w-bush/#comment-17308 Mon, 23 Oct 2017 01:18:00 +0000 http://occasionalplanet.org/?p=38021#comment-17308 No matter how right he is about any subject, it will always be undermined by his presidency. I think you’re right that we’re hungry for decency. Maybe we need to believe there is still some of it on the right side of the political aisle. It’s not just the endless wars and all that entails, or the blatant unabashed bigotry, or the austerity measures so the wealthy can get wealthier, or the increasingly deadly mass shootings they’re enabling, or the global warming disasters they’re doing nothing to mitigate…it’s the corruption they’re not even bothering to hide, the glaring hypocrisies, the shilling for corporate interests, the violence against all opposition foreign and domestic. Everything, really. Trying to find redeeming qualities is an exercise in futility. Bush sees this as an opportunity to put a little spit shine on his tarnished legacy.

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