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\"London<\/a>
London Times interview at Trump Tower<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

In an attempt to sound like he knows something about foreign policy, Donald Trump sat for an interview with Michael Gove, of the Times of London, and Kai Diekmann, former editor of Germany\u2019s Bild newspaper, on Jan. 15, 2017.<\/p>\n

Spoiler alert: He failed.<\/p>\n

You can read the full transcript here<\/a>, and I urge you to do so, because the Times\u2019 own cleaned-up summary of the interview does not reflect his terrifying incoherence or his pathetic, superficial way of discussing international issues.<\/p>\n

In its news report, <\/a>The Times highlighted several areas of foreign policy touched upon [not deeply explored] during the interview [the ones of most interest to British and European readers]. Here are some excerpts that show how the Times condensed and scrubbed Trump\u2019s answers in the lead paragraphs of their news report. Trying to find where the Times got the information for these keyword summaries of Trump\u2019s positions is not easy: Clearly, the Times had to comb back through the transcript several times to cut and paste these points together. And that\u2019s not easy, when the answers are as rambling and as shallow as Trump\u2019s.<\/p>\n

And yes, I know that cleaning up politicians\u2019 quotes has been standard journalistic practice forever. But, in the case of Trump, it\u2019s not just about removing a few ers and ums to help the speaker sound more articulate. Gleaning \u201cideas\u201d from Trump\u2019s \u201csentences\u201d and \u201cparagraphs\u201d is like sifting through a toxic waste dump, trying to find an unused tissue. I think that it’s dishonest of the Times to make a person as incompetent and superficially informed as Trump sound like a normal politician who has thought things out. Maybe I missed something, but I didn’t notice that the Times included any characterization of Trump’s answers as “rambling.” Using the term “wide-ranging” as a euphemism for unfocused is not enough.<\/p>\n

What the Times of London wrote:<\/p>\n

[Trump] will agree a nuclear weapons reduction deal with President Putin of Russia in return for lifting US sanctions.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

What Trump actually said:<\/p>\n

Q: Do you support European sanctions against Russia?<\/strong><\/p>\n

A: Well, I think you know \u2014 people have to get together and people have to do what they have to do in terms of being fair. OK? They have sanctions on Russia \u2014 let\u2019s see if we can make some good deals with Russia. For one thing, I think nuclear weapons should be way down and reduced very substantially, that\u2019s part of it. But you do have sanctions and Russia\u2019s hurting very badly right now because of sanctions, but I think something can happen that a lot of people are gonna benefit.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

What the Times wrote:<\/p>\n

He was highly critical of Russia\u2019s intervention in Syria, however, describing it as \u201ca very bad thing\u201d that had led to a \u201cterrible humanitarian situation\u201d.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

What Trump actually said:<\/p>\n

Q: Do you think that what\u2019s happened in Syria now with Putin intervening is a good thing or a bad thing?<\/strong><\/p>\n

A: Nah, I think it\u2019s a very rough thing. It\u2019s a very bad thing, we had a chance to do something when we had the line in the sand and it wasn\u2019t \u2014 nothing happened. That was the only time \u2014 and now, it\u2019s sort of very late. It\u2019s too late. Now everything is over \u2014 at some point it will come to an end \u2014 but Aleppo was nasty. I mean when you see them shooting old ladies walking out of town \u2014 they can\u2019t even walk and they\u2019re shooting \u2019em \u2014 it almost looks like they\u2019re shooting \u2019em for sport \u2014 ah no, that\u2019s a terrible \u2014 that\u2019s been a terrible situation. Aleppo has been such a terrible humanitarian situation.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

 <\/p>\n

What the Times wrote:<\/p>\n

Orders will be signed next Monday to strengthen America\u2019s borders, which could include travel restrictions on Europeans coming to the US as well as \u201cextreme vetting\u201d for those entering America from parts of the world known for Islamist terrorism.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

What Trump actually said:<\/p>\n

People don\u2019t want to have other people coming in and destroying their country and you know in this country we\u2019re gonna go very strong borders from the day I get in. One of the first orders I\u2019m gonna sign \u2013 day one \u2013 which I will consider to be Monday as opposed to Friday or Saturday. Right? I mean my day one is gonna be Monday because I don\u2019t want to be signing and get it mixed up with lots of celebration, but one of the first orders we\u2019re gonna be signing is gonna be strong borders.<\/p>\n

We don\u2019t want people coming in from Syria who we don\u2019t know who they are. You know there\u2019s no way of vetting these people. I don\u2019t want to do what Germany did.<\/p>\n

[In another section of the transcript]<\/em>\u00a0 Q: You said during the campaign that you\u2019d like to stop Muslims coming to the US. Is that still your plan?<\/strong><\/p>\n

A: <\/span>Well, from various parts of the world that have lots of terrorism problems.<\/p>\n

There will be extreme vetting, it\u2019s not gonna be like it is now, they don\u2019t even, we don\u2019t even have real vetting. The vetting into this country is essentially non-existent as it is, as it was at least, with your country.<\/p>\n

[From another section of the transcript]<\/em> Q: Are there any travel restrictions that could be imposed on Europeans coming to the US?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Well, it could happen, I mean we\u2019re gonna have to see. I mean, we\u2019re looking at parts of Europe; parts of the world and parts of Europe, where we have problems where they come in and they\u2019re gonna be causing problems. I don\u2019t wanna have those problems. Look, I won the election because of strong borders and trade. And military, we\u2019re gonna have strong military.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

What the Times wrote:<\/p>\n

He believes that Angela Merkel made a \u201ccatastrophic mistake\u201d when she let more than a million migrants into Germany, adding that the EU had become \u201ca vehicle for Germany\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

What Trump actually said:<\/p>\n

Q: When Obama came for his last visit to Berlin, he said that if he could vote in the upcoming election he would vote for Angela Merkel. Would you?<\/strong><\/p>\n

A: Well, I don\u2019t know who she\u2019s running against, number one, I\u2019m just saying, I don\u2019t know her, I\u2019ve never met her. As I said, I\u2019ve had great respect for her. I felt she was a great, great leader. I think she made one very catastrophic mistake and that was taking all of these illegals, you know taking all of the people from wherever they come from. And nobody even knows where they come from. You\u2019ll find out, you got a big dose of it a week ago. So I think she made a catastrophic mistake, very bad mistake. Now, with that being said, I respect her, I like her, but I don\u2019t know her. So I can\u2019t talk about who I\u2019m gonna be backing \u2014 if anyone.<\/p>\n

[From another section of the transcript] Q: In your campaign you said Angela Merkel\u2019s policy on Syrian refugees was insane. Do you still think so?<\/strong><\/p>\n

A: I think it\u2019s not good. I think it was a big mistake for Germany. And Germany of all countries, \u2019cause Germany was one of the toughest in the world for having anybody go in, and, uh, no I think it was a mistake. And I\u2019ll see her and I\u2019ll meet her and I respect her. And I like her but I think it was a mistake. And people make mistakes but I think it was a very big mistake. I think we should have built safe zones in Syria. Would have been a lot less expensive. Uh, get the Gulf states to pay for \u2019em who aren\u2019t coming through, I mean they\u2019ve got money that nobody has.<\/p>\n

Would have been a lot less expensive than the trauma that Germany\u2019s going through now \u2014 but I would have said \u2014 you build safe zones in Syria. Look, this whole thing should have never happened. Iraq should not have been attacked in the first place, all right? It was one of the worst decisions, possibly the worst decision ever made in the history of our country. We\u2019ve unleashed \u2014 it\u2019s like throwing rocks into a beehive. It\u2019s one of the great messes of all time. I looked at something, uh, I\u2019m not allowed to show you because it\u2019s classified \u2013 but, I just looked at Afghanistan and you look at the Taliban \u2013 and you take a look at every, every year its more, more, more, you know they have the different colours \u2013 and you say, you know \u2013 what\u2019s going on?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

To its credit, the Times did include some of Trump’s more egregious statements. But the Times still made Trump seem far too close to normal by reporting his statements as if they were those of a person who had actually considered the issues.<\/p>\n

But how does any of this pass for foreign policy thinking? Of course, the main problem is that Trump has never thought about any of this\u2014unless it had a tangential effect on his businesses\u2019 bottom lines. You can tell that he\u2019s been briefed recently\u2014but not a lot of it appears to be sinking in, and what has sunk in reflects\u2014as we have learned\u2014what the last person he talked with said. He throws around the facts that he can remember and blusters and bullshits his way through the rest of it. His inarticulateness is, once again, on full display.<\/p>\n

But another part of the problem is that, as you can see in the full transcript, the interviewers served up a lot of very soft questions. [\u201cIs there anything else you take from having a Scottish mother? Is there anything typically German about you?\u201d<\/em>] And when they did ask serious questions, they did not follow up when Trump gave an incoherent or off-the-subject answer.<\/p>\n

Isn\u2019t anyone in the press going to stand up to Trump, call him out to his face on lies and inaccuracies, and remind him to actually answer the question? Is this let-him-ramble-unchecked interview model the way things are going to be? Both this interview and his previous sit-down with the New York Times <\/a>reflect a willingness by the press to be bullied in advance as a way of avoiding getting on Trump\u2019s shit list. Put it all together\u2014the press\u2019s obsequious and cowering attitude, the increasing normalization by the press of Trump\u2019s abnormality, the incoming administration\u2019s threats against the press, plus Trump\u2019s obvious incompetence: Where are we going?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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